Of people that have a PDM installed, how is it performing"

[Mickeetwo]

Jake....I don't understand all the bashing and rants about the PDM kits. You have gone above and beyond the call of duty for WirePlus. To be honest I was going to go with a WirePlus, but all your rants and arrogant attitude about PDM kits or anything else you didn't sell changed my mind. You have helped a lot of people on this forum and your a supporting business and I thank you for it. I posted this to help you, you've lost one sell, would hate to see you lose more.

 

[KnotSo]

I bet you BDM has sold twice as many EHC's as they have 04-11 bikes built!

OK, and notice I removed my links below, so you can't bitch about me advertising in a post,
even though I pay to do so! (oh..and I did not vote in this poll)

Jake, we appreciate your support and was not "bitching" about your signature line which all site sponsors should have. You completely missed that point.

The issue however was questioning why you are commenting in this manner on this poll & your facts on the number of ehc's failed and how you arrived at those figures. You make it sound like you know for fact and curious to know where your figures arise from.

So far at work, all the ford trucks have had their PDM's fail. From my experience could I assume all PDM's are failing? No, from my experience I can come to the conclusion that 4 out of millions have failed. And I can show the records of my claim. While we know on this site whose ehc's have failed, and we know some of those replaced the ehc and still had original issues, and you are in contact with others and the wire plus company so your numbers will be diff than ours. And you are willing to "bet", we are asking for a linky to verify the 50% statement.

Now, If my ehc ever fails and I have no reason to believe it will, I am still undecided as to which way to go.

 

[bdmridgeback]

Jake, we appreciate your support and was not "bitching" about your signature line which all site sponsors should have. You completely missed that point.

The issue however was questioning why you are commenting in this manner on this poll & your facts on the number of ehc's failed and how you arrived at those figures. You make it sound like you know for fact and curious to know where your figures arise from.

So far at work, all the ford trucks have had their PDM's fail. From my experience could I assume all PDM's are failing? No, from my experience I can come to the conclusion that 4 out of millions have failed. And I can show the records of my claim. While we know on this site whose ehc's have failed, and we know some of those replaced the ehc and still had original issues, and you are in contact with others and the wire plus company so your numbers will be diff than ours. And you are willing to "bet", we are asking for a linky to verify the 50% statement.

Now, If my ehc ever fails and I have no reason to believe it will, I am still undecided as to which way to go.

OK, Knotso... You think I am just another forum member assuming numbers. You know and I know there are NO linkies on the internet to BDM EHC failures, GET REAL!

I deal with all the local Big Dog owners in southwest florida. I have had customers bring me bikes from as far as Mid Georgia to do WP installs on. I have had Insurance companies transport bikes from other dealers to me to do WP installs on. I talk to just about every BDM owner I see at shows in the area, I have very good relations with many shops in the area, I do installs for shops in the area. I dealt with shops in Michigan when I lived up there over 6 years ago. I get figures from wire plus because they deal with BDM dealers all over the country (old dealers) and I feel I have a pretty good Idea of about the realistic failure rate of BDM EHC's.

There are tons of guys in south florida that have never heard of this forum that have had numerous failures. Most guys on here feel that if someone has a failure they run to the forum for help, but MOST dedicated bikers don't spend time looking for forums to fix their bike, they take it somewhere.

I don't need to expain how I come about what I feel the failure rate is. But it seams whenever asks input on the forum, a couple of you members feel that just because you bought the PDM, that it is the best fix. And by a shop/technical aspect of it, It is my choice to give members a real life input to why and what is better.

I know it was a better option, because BDM had been testing numerous WP modules in bikes and were very close to doing a full WP factory install on 2012/2013 bikes but they never made it there before shutdown. They only did the PDM fix as a last minute temp fix to restore warranty downed bikes.

Done here...

 

[stlmikie]

So no links?

OK, Knotso... You think I am just another forum member assuming numbers. You know and I know there are NO linkies on the internet to BDM EHC failures, GET REAL!

I deal with all the local Big Dog owners in southwest florida. I have had customers bring me bikes from as far as Mid Georgia to do WP installs on. I have had Insurance companies transport bikes from other dealers to me to do WP installs on. I talk to just about every BDM owner I see at shows in the area, I have very good relations with many shops in the area, I do installs for shops in the area. I dealt with shops in Michigan when I lived up there over 6 years ago. I get figures from wire plus because they deal with BDM dealers all over the country (old dealers) and I feel I have a pretty good Idea of about the realistic failure rate of BDM EHC's.

There are tons of guys in south florida that have never heard of this forum that have had numerous failures. Most guys on here feel that if someone has a failure they run to the forum for help, but MOST dedicated bikers don't spend time looking for forums to fix their bike, they take it somewhere.

I don't need to expain how I come about what I feel the failure rate is. But it seams whenever asks input on the forum, a couple of you members feel that just because you bought the PDM, that it is the best fix. And by a shop/technical aspect of it, It is my choice to give members a real life input to why and what is better.

I know it was a better option, because BDM had been testing numerous WP modules in bikes and were very close to doing a full WP factory install on 2012/2013 bikes but they never made it there before shutdown. They only did the PDM fix as a last minute temp fix to restore warranty downed bikes.

Done here...

 

[Mickeetwo]

But it seams whenever asks input on the forum, a couple of you members feel that just because you bought the PDM, that it is the best fix. And by a shop/technical aspect of it, It is my choice to give members a real life input to why and what is better.

I haven't seen anybody say the PDM kit was better. Some of us are just trying something different. The thread states "OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE A PDM INSTALLED, HOW IS IT PERFORMING"

 

[Mickeetwo]

but MOST dedicated bikers don't spend time looking for forums to fix their bike, they take it somewhere.

Not sure if I'm supposed to be offended or not

 

[bdmridgeback]

I haven't seen anybody say the PDM kit was better. Some of us are just trying something different. The thread states "OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE A PDM INSTALLED, HOW IS IT PERFORMING"

Actually it says...Of people that have a PDM installed, how is it prefroming

...and no you don't need to be offended by that. If you ever meet a BDM owner on the street, ask if he has ever heard of this forum...99% chance it is a NO. Most don't know it exsists, and yes, very few people go to a forum to find out how to fix their bike.

 

[bdmridgeback]

So no links?

Sorry, Mikie...No linkie as I stated above...

 

[Fibersnake]

Look I didn't want this to get all off subject. And the purpose was not to say that PDM was better or worse than WP. Just looking for input for myself and for other forum members to help them make their own decision. That said though, you mention that there is tons of guys in south Florida that have never heard of this forum. No reason to doubt you, but hopefully if you know that you have made them aware of this forum.

Would totally disagree with you on the statement of MOST dedicated bikers not running to the forum. Most dedicated of anything IMHO do go to forum to get information on whatever their love is be it bikes or guitars. Also not going to get into dedicated verse non dedicated, but good chance that if a member takes the time to go on here and learn about their bike and maybe get some help, that to me is pretty dedicated.
You state that BD tested the WP and I have no reason to doubt you, but you also go onto to indicate that they were going to go that route before the shut down. Well if not mistaken the PDM went on some new models before the shut down, and just based on that it seems that BD had made a decision to go with that design and assume that they did after checking out the WP. Why do not know and I am not going to try to figure out their internal for I have an idea you have no more idea of such than I or the vast majority of people on here in regards to that. I will say that it makes no sense for them to develop a whole new wiring harness, HCI and PDM if they thought the WP was the better options since it was readily available, would not require custom fabrication, slower availability. Does not make business sense (oh let’s spend thousands of dollars, take a risk with a new product, etc) to do so to meet warranty issues. The cheaper route would have been to buy WP in bulk and have a flat rate install to cover the warranty issue with WP.

I have not seen allot of anyone saying the PDM is the better fix, but just stating the pros and cons. What is shown though is that if another talks about the PDM, you come on here and give it crap without any real hard information.

As has been stated many times, you have been a very supportive vendor to this forum, have supported your products and helped member out greatly and that speaks highly of you. If you have real information on the PDM, please pass it for many members on here are interested and are trying to make decision of alternates for EHC including WP. But to be frank, I have not seen any real details, just opinions. About the only thing I have seen is using the word crap, and saying it does not have self canceling features and may not take headlight bulbs of every type and sort. Maybe it is limited to what the system was designed for in regards to amperage load, but that does not make it bad

Is there issues with PDM, I am sure there is! Hell as I said on my first post from installing, whoever assembled the wire harness had three wires for the headlight landed at the wrong pins. Poor QC, and recently I had an issue when I did some wire management with the harness and one of the double pin for the speed sensor was not getting good conduction and I hard wired that. Once again, poor QC. Moesterman had issues with bad schematic and a change involving a 2 amp circuit that BD said was a change. He may still be having problem involving a DD install. So is it perfect, NO!

What I will say though, for me, the install was easy, the issues were easy to troubleshoot and the sucker started right up the first time. After a few corrections due to poor pinning, it seems to be fine. I went out today and put 232 miles on it and had no problems with it. Right now it has close to 1000 miles on it. May only go another mile before breaking down, or it may go many years.
Does that make it a better product, who knows, time will tell. But to keep saying another product is crap without any real details, is BS and not balanced when one does say so, yet there is numerous (I guess non-dedicated bikers) on here that have posted issues with the WP also. Still even with those problems, which any member on here can search, does not make the WP crap anymore than some of the issues with PDM make it crap. The only truly reliable systems is a basic one which some have converted to and even that will depend on the quality of install as well as the parts used to do so.

Your dedication to the products you sale and supporting so make you a valuable member, but just throwing out opinion without facts and saying you done this and done that and such and such is crap without facts, turns many off. Then to follow it up with unintentional or intentional insults to members about dedicated biker and a few other comments you have slung at member here such as being cheap (which ironic since most of the time the PDM cost more for the WP, though the labor can be more) or that, as you implied before, the guys that bought PDM were too cheap to spend an few extra bucks to do it right, though you imply anything less than what you sell was not doing it correctly, is not the best way to gain new customers.

Actually for me, my EHC was working, so spending the money when I didn’t need to at the time, would not normally fall with category of being cheap. Also as stated I only had one EHC fell and that was not due to the EHC itself but a short on the power harness. I still have my old EHC and backbone harness and main power harness and if the PDM fails, I can quickly put the old back in and go riding until I decide to go ole skoll.
I hope that you remain a supporting vendor and continue to help those that buy from you. I also hope that you do provide valuable input to those that need help since MOST of us evidently are not very dedicated bikers. I also hope that as a SUPORTING VENDOR, that when you run into those tons of BD owners in South Florida or other places that you do let them know about the site. If some of those tons had PDM or WP and have real feedback, positive or negative, us non dedicated bikers sure would like to know.

So as before, I would encourage you to let the products speak for themselves, continue to support what you sale and remain a supporting member.

Also the crap of dedicated biker is that pure crap. It is opinion of mine, but I take it as insulting to the many many members on here that do come here and look to get help with their Big Dog as well as alternative products being researched or bought, nor does about being able to afford to do a $500 repair correctly indicate that one should not own a Big Dog, there is many people and more and more that have hit on hard economic time, that a $500 or $50 repair may not be readily affordable yet they would not trade or get rid of it till the last moment. Then again, maybe they are not dedicated bikers for they may come on here to figure out the best way to do something themselves with their limited budget, that could have very much changed since they bought their BD.

 

[bdmridgeback]

I have not seen allot of anyone saying the PDM is the better fix, but just stating the pros and cons. What is shown though is that if another talks about the PDM, you come on here and give it crap without any real hard information.

...Hard information coming up below...

As has been stated many times, you have been a very supportive vendor to this forum, have supported your products and helped member out greatly and that speaks highly of you. If you have real information on the PDM, please pass it for many members on here are interested and are trying to make decision of alternates for EHC including WP.

...(have tried but you seem to know more than all of us on here)... let's move on...

But to be frank, I have not seen any real details, just opinions. About the only thing I have seen is using the word crap, and saying it does not have self canceling features and may not take headlight bulbs of every type and sort. Maybe it is limited to what the system was designed for in regards to amperage load, but that does not make it bad

...Ask anyone that owns a PDM, it does NOT have self cancelling signals, no 4 way flashers and it does have headlight monitor built in...

Is there issues with PDM, I am sure there is! Hell as I said on my first post from installing, whoever assembled the wire harness had three wires for the headlight landed at the wrong pins. Poor QC, and recently I had an issue when I did some wire management with the harness and one of the double pin for the speed sensor was not getting good conduction and I hard wired that. Once again, poor QC. Moesterman had issues with bad schematic and a change involving a 2 amp circuit that BD said was a change. He may still be having problem involving a DD install. So is it perfect, NO!

...Hard info... this is the exact hard info I have seen in my shop on a couple bikes I have trouble shot for customers, and you say I have no hard info and you just posted from of poor quality control, just like the horn honk and bike shut down feature...

What I will say though, for me, the install was easy, the issues were easy to troubleshoot and the sucker started right up the first time. After a few corrections due to poor pinning, it seems to be fine. I went out today and put 232 miles on it and had no problems with it. Right now it has close to 1000 miles on it. May only go another mile before breaking down, or it may go many years.
Does that make it a better product, who knows, time will tell. But to keep saying another product is crap without any real details, is BS and not balanced when one does say so, yet there is numerous (I guess non-dedicated bikers) on here that have posted issues with the WP also. Still even with those problems, which any member on here can search, does not make the WP crap anymore than some of the issues with PDM make it crap.

...The difference is right here above, Wire PLus is self wired, so mistakes are from install mistakes. I troubleshoot those with the customer and always find the mistake made, with the PDM, the factory is making the mistake and as I said before crappy Quality control (or wait, you said that not me)...



The only truly reliable systems is a basic one which some have converted to and even that will depend on the quality of install as well as the parts used to do so.

Your dedication to the products you sale and supporting so make you a valuable member, but just throwing out opinion without facts and saying you done this and done that and such and such is crap without facts, turns many off.

...It turns you off but you are trying to speak for everyone on here just like with this entire thread so far...and all my "saying I done shit and that" I DID IT and found the FACTS and choose to post them here...
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Point Made, Obviously you are the one with the issues with me, and have ruined it for everyone now!
Done here, nothing else to say. Sick of your drama!

SO UPDATE AS OF FEB 16th...

DUE TO THE DRAMA, AND BS FROM ABOVE MEMBERS I WILL NO LONGER BE
OFFERING THE WIRE-PLUS PRODUCTS, OR ANY PRODUCTS TO MEMBERS. I HAVE PULLED MY FORUM SPONSORSHIP AND WILL STOP
PAYING TO ADVERTISE ON HERE AS WELL. I HAVE ALSO REMOVED MY BUSINESS NAME FROM ANY ASSOCIATION WITH ME AS A MEMBER FROM
THE SITE. I WAS THE FIRST SITE SPONSORING BUSINESS TO PAY IN ORDER TO ADVERTISE HERE & SELL MY PRODUCTS TO MEMBERS AT A DISCOUNTED RATE. IT WAS A GREAT THING BEING ABLE TO HELP EVERYONE AS MUCH AS I DID, BUT FIBER HAS RUINED THAT FOR ALL OTHER MEMBERS. NOW HE CAN MOVE ON WITH PUSHING THE GREATNESS OF HIS PDM KITS WITHOUT THE WORRY OF ME TRYING TO TELL EVERYONE HOW GREAT WIRE PLUS IS!!!..

PEACE OUT...IT HAS BEEN GREAT HELPING GET EVERYONES BIKES BACK ON THE ROAD, AND I APPRECIATE GREATLY ALL THE SUPPORT YOU MEMBERS GAVE ME AS CUSTOMERS...

...and now, on to being a regular member...


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[stlmikie]

I'm with ya Fiber.

 

[Fibersnake]

Bdmridgeback, I have no issue with you personnaly. Not sure what I have ruined for everyone else either, but will be respectful of you not wanting to discuss anymore.

Best to you and I will state it on here once again. I salute you for your support, the support of your products and helping many of the members on here.

 

[Fibersnake]

To all the other members on here, if I have ruined something for anyone, please accept my sincere apologies and feel free to send me a PM to let me know what ever I ruined.

 

[KnotSo]

So, Of people that have a PDM installed, how is it perfroming?:2thumbs:

 

[Mickeetwo]

So, Of people that have a PDM installed, how is it perfroming?:2thumbs:

So far good

 

[stlmikie]

You have nothing to apologize for Fiber. You did nothing wrong.

 

[olddog58]

PDM Piece of Crap- Dead Dog

08 K9 EFI. won't go into the problems that lead me there, but finally had a shop replace my dead EHC with the new PDM Kit from BDM (or BDPP). The shop says the wiring in the kit didn't fit right so they sort of jury rigged it from what I can see. The bike ran fine after the install... for exactly 2 rides. I noticed the "engine" light was staying on very dimly. But that dim light has eaten the electrical system for lunch, and after 2 days, the bike won't start and won't charge. The shop that installed it can't figure it out. The keep calling BDM for tech support but can't get a call back. I am soooo screwed... why didn't I go with a tested and proven system... why, why, why?????

 

[Mickeetwo]

08 K9 EFI. won't go into the problems that lead me there, but finally had a shop replace my dead EHC with the new PDM Kit from BDM (or BDPP). The shop says the wiring in the kit didn't fit right so they sort of jury rigged it from what I can see. The bike ran fine after the install... for exactly 2 rides. I noticed the "engine" light was staying on very dimly. But that dim light has eaten the electrical system for lunch, and after 2 days, the bike won't start and won't charge. The shop that installed it can't figure it out. The keep calling BDM for tech support but can't get a call back. I am soooo screwed... why didn't I go with a tested and proven system... why, why, why?????

If the shop "jury rigged" the PDM kit what makes you think they'll do better with a wire-plus. Sounds like you need a new shop.

 

[Fibersnake]

08 K9 EFI. won't go into the problems that lead me there, but finally had a shop replace my dead EHC with the new PDM Kit from BDM (or BDPP). The shop says the wiring in the kit didn't fit right so they sort of jury rigged it from what I can see. The bike ran fine after the install... for exactly 2 rides. I noticed the "engine" light was staying on very dimly. But that dim light has eaten the electrical system for lunch, and after 2 days, the bike won't start and won't charge. The shop that installed it can't figure it out. The keep calling BDM for tech support but can't get a call back. I am soooo screwed... why didn't I go with a tested and proven system... why, why, why?????

So sorry to hear that and hopefully someone can help you get what every is wrong sorted out. You mention that the shop that did the install, said the kit didn't fit right and had to jury rig. By chance did they give you any specific of what was not fitting right or what made them start toi jury rig. Be good to know in case others have similar problems.

Regardless, hope you can get it up and running right soon. If you have some specfic, maybe post them on here of what they had to do, so maybe some can see if they can help you out if you have to dig yourself. BTW do you care to state what shop did the install? Was it a former BD dealer, independant or some other type.

If you had previously posted the issue, me bad, let us know and will go revisted it.

Thanks for the input

 

[KnotSo]

08 K9 EFI. won't go into the problems that lead me there, but finally had a shop replace my dead EHC with the new PDM Kit from BDM (or BDPP). The shop says the wiring in the kit didn't fit right so they sort of jury rigged it from what I can see. The bike ran fine after the install... for exactly 2 rides. I noticed the "engine" light was staying on very dimly. But that dim light has eaten the electrical system for lunch, and after 2 days, the bike won't start and won't charge. The shop that installed it can't figure it out. The keep calling BDM for tech support but can't get a call back. I am soooo screwed... why didn't I go with a tested and proven system... why, why, why?????

I bet the shop was not Lifestyles....

We can get you in contact with a very good V-Twin Tech and BDM trained that works there part time, however he also works on his own and anyone that has had Thomas work on their scoot knows we are blessed to have him when the need arises