Push pull throttle

[dtmmil]

How many are running just a pull throttle? Do the carbs work well with just a pull? They return to idle fine?

 

[Coolbreezin]

Please forgive my ignorance. Arent spring returned throttles what comes factory on all motorcycles? Ive had my scooter for 18 years and never had a throttle related incident or concern.
Are you having an issue or just wondering?

 

[Jwooky]

I am about to change all my controls this winter and use a pull only for a cleaned look.

Im curious how the push/pull got started, highly redundant IMO.

Once one OEM does something for “safety “ then the rest will be outliers and subject to liability.

 

[Jwooky]

Please forgive my ignorance. Arent spring returned throttles what comes factory on all motorcycles? Ive had my scooter for 18 years and never had a throttle related incident or concern.
Are you having an issue or just wondering?

Yes that’s correct, the return spring is responsible, the return cable is a redundancy.

I have never had a return spring fail, car (no redundant cable) or bike

 

[dtmmil]

Please forgive my ignorance. Arent spring returned throttles what comes factory on all motorcycles? Ive had my scooter for 18 years and never had a throttle related incident or concern.
Are you having an issue or just wondering?

Ive had other bikes, never one with an s&s carb or single carb, last bikes were efi prior to that were 4 carbed bikes. This has a return spring just not sure if it works well without the push. I am currently having just a small sticking issue where it will hold the idle up just a little sometimes, and i plan to swap to some ape hangers and would like to just use a single cable.

 

[JohnBoy]

Sticking is sometimes a frayed cable so watch it. I think the push is a waste of time if the throttle spring is good.

 

[john sachs]

The return, butterfly, and or slide, is handled by the spring on the carb.
John

 

[dtmmil]

Ok i tried pulling the push cable off and just running the pull but the cable is way to long and couldnt adjust it. What does a person have to change to run just a pull? My bike is a 2000 and has the stock harley style controls

 

[Jwooky]

Ok i tried pulling the push cable off and just running the pull but the cable is way to long and couldnt adjust it. What does a person have to change to run just a pull? My bike is a 2000 and has the stock harley style controls

Hard to understand what happened.

Removing the idler or push cable should not change anything on the pull side.

 

[dtmmil]

Hard to understand what happened.

Removing the idler or push cable should not change anything on the pull side.

Ya, not sure if something has been changed with the cables but when i unhooked the push cable and tried adjusting the pull cable there isnt nearly enough adjustment. I completely unscrewed the adjuster and there was still a ton of freeplay in the throttle.

 

[JohnBoy]

Pictures would help If you didn't remove the push cable. Cable adjustment should not change.

 

[dtmmil]

Pictures would help If you didn't remove the push cable. Cable adjustment should not change.

Ill have to pull it apart again to get pics.

 

[Mikeinjersey]

The double cable is for safety !! For if the throttle gets stuck open .

 

[dtmmil]

The double cable is for safety !! For if the throttle gets stuck open .

Yep, never liked the push pull though, never had one stick either.

 

[dtmmil]

First pic is both cables adjusted where it works, second is push cable removed and thats how far out it would need to be adjusted to get rid of the freeplay

 

[JohnBoy]

Make sure the cable is attached at the carb as sometimes they come out of the throttle cable guide. It should be in the rear one on an S & S carb. Make sure the cable is wrapped around the throttle linkage it sometimes will come off the grove with out tension on it see pg 9.

 

[dtmmil]

Make sure the cable is attached at the carb as sometimes they come out of the throttle cable guide. It should be in the rear one on an S & S carb. Make sure the cable is wrapped around the throttle linkage it sometimes will come off the grove with out tension on it see pg 9.

Yep its all attached as it should be, not sure what the deal is with it. As of now it will be staying push pull, when i put the new bars in it might stay as well unless i figure it out.

 

[JohnBoy]

Looks like my link didn't work if you download it from S & S go to page 2 see the cable bracket 11-2338 that may take up the slack you show in your second picture. It raises the cable housing. But sorry I couldn't be more helpful.

 

[dtmmil]

I found what you linked and was thinking the same thing about that other bracket, so yes as of now it helps! Thanks.

 

[Jersey Big Mike]

Well even my 1973 XLCH had 2 cables but it did not have a return spring.
I think '73 was the last year that was legal (much like the wrong side foot controls)
Never seen a single cable carb on a bike (but that doesn't mean anything)