Install/Repair Gas Cap Paint Saver; Bubbling Paint

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HMAN

HMAN

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COOPer said:
Can the paint saver be removed and a traditional gas cap be put on? Like the Harley push ones that come on CVO
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Yep, they can be removed. Most if not all that came from the factory were glued in. Think JB Weld. You will prolly have to apply some heat to loosen up the glue. Eric @ HDM has the paint saver tool to make unscrewing it a bit easier. Tape tape tape ur tank all around where you will be working.....
 
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Tracy Biolos

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Fat_Bastard said:
I had the misfortune of getting an expensive custom paint job by so called experts that failed miserably within days; from paint bubbles around the gas cap. (This thread started 12-3-2016 for those tracking longevity)

This was caused by gas or gas fumes getting under or between the paint and underlying metal gas tank because the rubber gasket was used improperly, with improper adhesive.

To properly fix it in my case:

1) Remove the stock Landmark gas cap



2) Remove the stock Landmark Paint Saver Ring screwed into the gas tank with the SPECIAL Landmark REMOVAL TOOL (not shown).



2a) Landmark Removal Tool




3) In my case the Landmark paint saver ring was installed incorrectly with the rubber gasket (badly worn and not the same style as provided by Landmark) see photo below.




4) Clean up any loose material and block pieces from falling into tank with tape…
(the "clay-brownish looking stuff" in photo below was JBweld -- which I do not recommend here for this application.)



5) Re-attach loose paint bubbles with crazy glue equivalent; I used XBon super glue; other products may work as well (no luck with clear nail polish as some suggest). Wear rubber gloves in case you smear and get fingers stuck to paint, tank, etc…

6) Contact: “MR. Wright” of this Forum to have him custom make you an oversize paint saver ring to fit your situation out of stainless steel stock. (about $35.) see below lower right in photo.



7) Dry fit all to be sure of the look and fitment, bend, etc, will work…

8) Place masking tape around area to cover where you do not want RTV silicone to go and keep it neat.



9) Assemble with RTV Silicone glue (I used clear) on the gas tank threads and top edge; then put RTV Silicone on underside of large MR. Wright ring. Place on tank wipe excess oozing off inside of tank; masking tape dam will block from falling into tank.

10) RTV silicone up the smaller Landmark threaded paint saver ring and screw in to tank threads through center of the larger MR. Wright paint saver ring. DO NOT USE THE RUBBER GASKET! Or it will leak…



11) Tighten Landmark paint saver ring with tool to very snug fit or in my opinion what would be about 30 ft. lbs. of torque. The RTV Silicone will ooze out everywhere --a good thing, and wipe excess to clean up.



Recommend: WAIT 3 FULL DAYS TO DRY WITH TANK GAS CAP OFF, NO GAS IN TANK ! in well ventilated area.

After that gas up; never fill past inside metal lower neck of tank. (As I knew from my early teens on any bike-- and you probably do too).

What I like:
The new larger Mr. Wright paint saver ring prevents scratches in paint from finger nails and gas nozzle flex boot (in California gas pump nozzles) may scratch paint.

This fix has worked now for nearly 2 years and over 50 tanks of gas. A lot less expensive than new paint and I believe it is a much better set up than stock.

I have seen this done with the Kuryaken gas cap set up as well both look very nice!

PS: side experiment: I took a thumb nail size blob of Permatex RTV silicone after 4 hours dry time and drenched it periodically in gasoline over the 3 day wait; it never decomposed, compromised or damaged it... AMAZING!

I also bought a brand new Landmark Gas Cap (vented as original) with paint saver and removal tool included ($95.) Got it in one day since Landmark is in Oceanside, California 20 miles down the freeway.
http://www.landmarkmfg.com/

Gas Cap dis-assembled below to show vent and inspect...

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can these be used on an 89 springer softail? split tanks
 
QMChief

QMChief

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Mr. Wright said:
Very nice write up. Thanks. I might use that as my instruction sheet, that I enclose with the ring.
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Mr Wright I see here you make a special paint saver ring. I'd be interested in that and also do you make a heavy duty paint saver removal tool? I have a stubborn paint saver onmy 08 Mastiff and it drools gas out the back. I don't think the standard removal tool will get it off. I need to utilize the center hole and put a metal rod through it to torque that sucker in or out.
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Mr. Wright

Mr. Wright

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QMChief said:
Mr Wright I see here you make a special paint saver ring. I'd be interested in that and also do you make a heavy duty paint saver removal tool? I have a stubborn paint saver onmy 08 Mastiff and it drools gas out the back. I don't think the standard removal tool will get it off. I need to utilize the center hole and put a metal rod through it to torque that sucker in or out.
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Give me a call.
 
Jersey Big Mike

Jersey Big Mike

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QMChief said:
Mr Wright I see here you make a special paint saver ring. I'd be interested in that and also do you make a heavy duty paint saver removal tool? I have a stubborn paint saver onmy 08 Mastiff and it drools gas out the back. I don't think the standard removal tool will get it off. I need to utilize the center hole and put a metal rod through it to torque that sucker in or out.
Payment by Zelle?
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The standard tool is an INSTALL tool only not removal! Ask me how I know?!
Many of the paint savers get epoxy'ed in from what I understand and are brutal to remove. I'd drain the tank and blow a lot of air thru it the use some heat to loosen the ring and tap it carefully with a punch (and get anything you can under the punch to protect the tank.) This is just my opinion and you take all responsibility for any damage -- If someone knows a bettery way please speak up as I have one I am planning on doing this too as well.
 
HMAN

HMAN

I just like my Freedom
Jersey Big Mike said:
The standard tool is an INSTALL tool only not removal! Ask me how I know?!
Many of the paint savers get epoxy'ed in from what I understand and are brutal to remove. I'd drain the tank and blow a lot of air thru it the use some heat to loosen the ring and tap it carefully with a punch (and get anything you can under the punch to protect the tank.) This is just my opinion and you take all responsibility for any damage -- If someone knows a bettery way please speak up as I have one I am planning on doing this too as well.
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On the Pitbull it was twice the fun. Royal PIA. I made a few install/removal tools and loaned them out only to never see them return. They were made from aircraft aluminum and hardened steel pins. Wish I had a Bridgeport.....
 
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