Thunder Heart EHC

GDOG_PITBULL

GDOG_PITBULL

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I got this and then no further responses to my questions:

Case Ref: "1-30190" - 2004 BDM hand controls to TH wiring

Greg, 2004 and newer Big Dog motorcycles use momentary push buttons hand controls that are not compatible with the EA4260 (MHC).

Are you using the stock push button hand controls?


Sincerely,

Keith Kittle
Thunder-Max Customer Support
 
MossBerg590

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GDOG_PITBULL said:
I got this and then no further responses to my questions:

Case Ref: "1-30190" - 2004 BDM hand controls to TH wiring

Greg, 2004 and newer Big Dog motorcycles use momentary push buttons hand controls that are not compatible with the EA4260 (MHC).

Are you using the stock push button hand controls?


Sincerely,

Keith Kittle
Thunder-Max Customer Support
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Thats what the momentary switch converter is for, to switch the big dog momentary controls to latching controls so jt can be used with the 4260 module.
 
MossBerg590

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I think if everything is wired up correctly, because you have an 04 it may be the boards on your model isnt working properly as Curtis said. Talk to him about the updated boards and that may fix the problem.
 
GDOG_PITBULL

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MossBerg590 said:
I think if everything is wired up correctly, because you have an 04 it may be the boards on your model isnt working properly as Curtis said. Talk to him about the updated boards and that may fix the problem.
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Thanks, maybe an additional module would help for signals and brakes???
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Th3InfamousI

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KaptinAmerika said:
You don't need anything special for the hand controls.
I have installed a number of these kits from KMW and I can tell you they have done nothing special for the hand controls.
I can also tell you from personal experience that the older style PCB board does not work in all cases.
I can't tell you why only that I have had a couple of situations where the old style board refused to work with the kit. After installing a set of the newer PCB boards all the issues went away.
The info I gave earlier about the voltage came right from the horses mouth so doubt it if you want.
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Okay, not gonna argue I haven't had the opportunity to play with any of them and you've installed plenty so I always go with the guy who's done it before!

I guess why sell them over the standard thunderheart? $+250 for some JST connectors? Or are their other benefits to the RIP kit ? Now I'm curious :)
 
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MossBerg590

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Th3InfamousI said:
Okay, not gonna argue I haven't had the opportunity to play with any of them and you've installed plenty so I always go with the guy who's done it before!

I guess why sell them over the standard thunderheart? $+250 for some JST connectors? Or are their other benefits to the RIP kit ? Now I'm curious :)
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All the wiring is already seperated, shrink wrap, connectors crimped etc.. Saves a lot of time and it is preferable but in my case, being 26 with 4 kids, I couldn't afford it. That's why I went with just doing it myself to save money.
 
GDOG_PITBULL

GDOG_PITBULL

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KaptinAmerika said:
You don't need anything special for the hand controls.
I have installed a number of these kits from KMW and I can tell you they have done nothing special for the hand controls.
I can also tell you from personal experience that the older style PCB board does not work in all cases.
I can't tell you why only that I have had a couple of situations where the old style board refused to work with the kit. After installing a set of the newer PCB boards all the issues went away.
The info I gave earlier about the voltage came right from the horses mouth so doubt it if you want.
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Curtis,
Is there a separate module that can be added for turn and brake signals that will work with our controls?
 
GDOG_PITBULL

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The issue is getting 12 vdc in to the command leads of the 4260 to trigger the output leads to blink. Our hand controls do not provide a 12 vdc source so I assume I need a relay that will trigger via the close loop from out controls.
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DRBarnhart

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GDOG_PITBULL said:
The issue is getting 12 vdc in to the command leads of the 4260 to trigger the output leads to blink. Our hand controls do not provide a 12 vdc source so I assume I need a relay that will trigger via the close loop from out controls.
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The controls would have a 12VDC source (from pins 25 & 26 of the 4260) after you wire up the Thunderheart. Example: The kill switch wiring would be pin 26 of the 4260 to the kill switch. Then, from the other side of the kill switch, the wire would go to input 1 of the 4093. Output 1 of the 4093 would then go to pin 32 of the 4260. True?

That would give you 12 VDC inputting to the 4260...

Dennis

PS Keep in mind this only my example and is not all the wires involved!
 
GDOG_PITBULL

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DRBarnhart said:
The controls would have a 12VDC source (from pins 25 & 26 of the 4260) after you wire up the Thunderheart. Example: The kill switch wiring would be pin 26 of the 4260 to the kill switch. Then, from the other side of the kill switch, the wire would go to input 1 of the 4093. Output 1 of the 4093 would then go to pin 32 of the 4260. True?

That would give you 12 VDC inputting to the 4260...

Dennis

PS Keep in mind this only my example and is not all the wires involved!
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So I have taken all motor and starter, comp. rls, and ignition out of the controller. I have a very cool solution for that. All I need is hi / low beam, R/L turn signals, and brake light from this thing. I am assuming there is no voltage across the switch controls and it was just circuit closure for something inside the original EHC. Probably cannot even use the 4093 in this mix....????
Thanks
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DRBarnhart

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GDOG_PITBULL said:
So I have taken all motor and starter, comp. rls, and ignition out of the controller.
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Why?
GDOG_PITBULL said:
I have a very cool solution for that.
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What would that be?
GDOG_PITBULL said:
All I need is hi / low beam, R/L turn signals, and brake light from this thing. I am assuming there is no voltage across the switch controls and it was just circuit closure for something inside the original EHC. Probably cannot even use the 4093 in this mix....????
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You could use whatever parts of the controller you want but why not use it all? Seems like you're making it overly complicated which could come back to bite you if you need to do some troubleshooting someday...

Dennis

PS It appears you'll still need the 4093 for high/low...
 
GDOG_PITBULL

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DRBarnhart said:
Why?What would that be?You could use whatever parts of the controller you want but why not use it all? Seems like you're making it overly complicated which could come back to bite you if you need to do some troubleshooting someday...

Dennis

PS It appears you'll still need the 4093 for high/low...
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Because I feel the controllers cannot handle the high current circuits!
Not sure what I need at this point.....
 
DRBarnhart

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GDOG_PITBULL said:
Because I feel the controllers cannot handle the high current circuits!
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The controller was designed for it so unless you're doing something other than wiring the normal stuff you don't have a problem.
GDOG_PITBULL said:
Not sure what I need at this point.....
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If you want to do away with the issues you're having you need to remove all the "creative" stuff and install the 4260 and 4093 as they were intended.

So since you're probably not going to do that... Good luck!!! ;)

Dennis
 
GDOG_PITBULL

GDOG_PITBULL

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DRBarnhart said:
The controller was designed for it so unless you're doing something other than wiring the normal stuff you don't have a problem.If you want to do away with the issues you're having you need to remove all the "creative" stuff and install the 4260 and 4093 as they were intended.

So since you're probably not going to do that... Good luck!!! ;)

Dennis
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Evidently the 4260 was not designed to do anything with a BDM.......
 
MossBerg590

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GDOG_PITBULL said:
Evidently the 4260 was not designed to do anything with a BDM.......
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Did you look into the boards? Not sure why you keep saying that it won't work because a lot of people have that set up in big dogs no problem. I don't think it is the module that's the problem here.
 
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