starter questions?

[MARV]

Perhaps you should contact BD and S&S and let them know that they are incorrect. They are the ones who told me that they are on for the entire time the starter button is depressed.

oh so your preaching hearsay. someone on the phone at BD tells you its works the same as S&S shows and now its fact?

S&S's diagram has the start switch and CR ran thru a relay on the same circuit. so in that case, which isnt ours, they are powered together.

i wouldnt take offense to a simple mistake if you didnt have the "holy'r then thou" statements in your sig.

:roll: :roll: "USE YOUR HEAD STUPID"! :roll: :roll: "DONT POST TRASH" :roll: :roll:

 

[Front Runner]

I had my starter replaced a few weeks back. I used to get the SLAM, PING with the abrupt stop during the first half of the stroke when trying to start the bike while hot sometimes. :bang: Then the starter started leaking oil, so they replaced it. I've had the abrupt stop, SLAM, & PING happen once or twice while trying to start the bike while hot since the starter has been replaced.

 

[Loafington]

oh so your preaching hearsay. someone on the phone at BD tells you its works the same as S&S shows and now its fact?

S&S's diagram has the start switch and CR ran thru a relay on the same circuit. so in that case, which isnt ours, they are powered together.

i wouldnt take offense to a simple mistake if you didnt have the "holy'r then thou" statements in your sig.

:roll: :roll: "USE YOUR HEAD STUPID"! :roll: :roll: "DONT POST TRASH" :roll: :roll:

I will take someone’s word for it, seeing how they built the bike. As far as my "holy'r than thou" statements, passing out shitty info to anyone, sucks. Are you ok with that? There are many problems people have with their bikes and the last thing someone needs when one is attempting to diagnose a problem is inaccurate info, do you agree? As far as hearsay, isn’t everything on here hearsay? If you were at work and someone told you that so and so was banging your wife or girlfriend, or both, would you get pissed? Isn’t that just “hearsay?” I mean if it is, then one shouldn’t take it serious.

 

[MARV]

I will take someone’s word for it, seeing how they built the bike.

yea maybe it was the janitor who picked up the phone when you called.


did you ever wonder why there isnt a relay in our starter circuit? or did they tell you you have one of those also? :roll:


if you gonna start spewing statements as facts then maybe you should quote the source so only they look like the asswipe and not you also.


"USE YOUR HEAD STUPID"

 

[Loafington]

yea maybe it was the janitor who picked up the phone when you called.


did you ever wonder why there isnt a relay in our starter circuit? or did they tell you you have one of those also? :roll:


if you gonna start spewing statements as facts then maybe you should quote the source so only they look like the asswipe and not you also.


"USE YOUR HEAD STUPID"

Wow, I guess you told me.

 

[Slow Vince]

Big Dog Motorcycle 2007 Service Manual:

P 8-20 Rev. B
"The CR's are on for only one second regardless of how long the Start button is held down."

p 8-32 Rev.B
The diagram shows separate CR and Start outputs from the controller in the EHC.

 

[ZZ CHOP]

I know for a fact on my 04 the CR's stay activated until I let off the the start button, maybe its a 05 up change..Dave.

 

[Loafington]

Big Dog Motorcycle 2007 Service Manual:

P 8-20 Rev. B
"The CR's are on for only one second regardless of how long the Start button is held down."

p 8-32 Rev.B
The diagram shows separate CR and Start outputs from the controller in the EHC.

According to what some people are saying here, that must be the case. I looked into compression release operation regarding my ‘06 and I have received mixed results. I looked in my manual and found nothing that explains the operation. I sent email correspondence to S&S and BD and they told me something different than what others here tell me. I guess the mode of operation has changed from what it was originally. According to most of the guys here, the compression releases only operate briefly during start-up.

 

[Slow Vince]

Did a little quality time in the S&S manual tonight. The wiring diagram for their version of CR shows that they should stay depressed as long as the start button is held down.

BDM does a lot of things different than S&S, and they do change things from one year/model to the next.

BDM keeps a lot of their info Top Secret, hard to get definitive answers from them. I too get different answers - it depends.

Particularly frustrating is when the service manual is WRONG, as in the case of roller rocker arms.

 

[Loafington]

It definitely is frustrating. Nothing sucks more than inaccurate information from various sources. That sort of thing will create more problems down the road, especially when one is attempting to diagnose a problem with their bike or with something else.

 

[crazyjoe]

After changing battery due to slow starting I was still having problems. I replaced the starter and now it spins fast and easy. I found the wire connection from the soleinoid was corroded on the old starter. This was not getting enough power to the starter. I also took it apart and it looked pretty much burned up inside. I had to change spark plugs too because they were fouled from trying to start engine with the bad starter. I hope this info will help someone else.

 

[2000bigdog]

i have a 2000 big dog vintage sport and my bike has done the same thing with the starter. you hit the start button and the bike turns over then seems like it is compression locked and then i get that grinding sound like the starter gear grinding on the flywheel. I have the TP 107 engine in my bike and it is not equipped with compression releases. i am currently in the process of removing the head and sending them to TP engineering to have manual releases drilled and installed. i have removed the primary cover and checked the flywheel and starter gear and everything checked ok. i work on construction equip and have ran into this on some of our equipment and found that the clutch inside the starter is what was making the grinding noise. i removed the starter and installed a new spyke starter clutch and plunger kit. i currently have the frnt forks in for repair at the local big dog dealer(which they suck) since these forks are inverted. i will keep you posted after the heads get back and let you know how it starts. Also everything from big dog is all aftermarket stuff cheaper and probably better to get aftermarket stuff rather that goin through bdm. I also called TP engineering and they stated that the couple bikes that they did build they used a tech cycle starter which are sold in PA. im goin to try my way and see what happens next is a new starter.

 

[stlmikie]

Did the starter clutch and plunger work?

i have a 2000 big dog vintage sport and my bike has done the same thing with the starter. you hit the start button and the bike turns over then seems like it is compression locked and then i get that grinding sound like the starter gear grinding on the flywheel. I have the TP 107 engine in my bike and it is not equipped with compression releases. i am currently in the process of removing the head and sending them to TP engineering to have manual releases drilled and installed. i have removed the primary cover and checked the flywheel and starter gear and everything checked ok. i work on construction equip and have ran into this on some of our equipment and found that the clutch inside the starter is what was making the grinding noise. i removed the starter and installed a new spyke starter clutch and plunger kit. i currently have the frnt forks in for repair at the local big dog dealer(which they suck) since these forks are inverted. i will keep you posted after the heads get back and let you know how it starts. Also everything from big dog is all aftermarket stuff cheaper and probably better to get aftermarket stuff rather that goin through bdm. I also called TP engineering and they stated that the couple bikes that they did build they used a tech cycle starter which are sold in PA. im goin to try my way and see what happens next is a new starter.

 

[Moespeeds]

Jeez, so much for no opinions, eh? It sounds like your starter is dragging. You say it was replaced, but was the problem ever cured for any amount of time? When they changed your starter, did they also replace the jackshaft? If you take your primary cover off, is the jackshaft worn or is the ring gear worn, and is there any metal in your primary fluid? Has anyone ever checked the alignment and shim on your tranny/motor plate? If I were you, I would just spend another $100 and get an Ultima 2KW starter off ebay and see if that solves the issue. If it doesn't solve the problem put it back on ebay for $75. The dealer tells you what they did, but what did they REALLY do? BTW, the comp releases on my '04 stayed engaged as long as I held the start button.

 

[Raywood]

i have a 2000 big dog vintage sport and my bike has done the same thing with the starter. you hit the start button and the bike turns over then seems like it is compression locked and then i get that grinding sound like the starter gear grinding on the flywheel. I have the TP 107 engine in my bike and it is not equipped with compression releases. i am currently in the process of removing the head and sending them to TP engineering to have manual releases drilled and installed. i have removed the primary cover and checked the flywheel and starter gear and everything checked ok. i work on construction equip and have ran into this on some of our equipment and found that the clutch inside the starter is what was making the grinding noise. i removed the starter and installed a new spyke starter clutch and plunger kit. i currently have the frnt forks in for repair at the local big dog dealer(which they suck) since these forks are inverted. i will keep you posted after the heads get back and let you know how it starts. Also everything from big dog is all aftermarket stuff cheaper and probably better to get aftermarket stuff rather that goin through bdm. I also called TP engineering and they stated that the couple bikes that they did build they used a tech cycle starter which are sold in PA. im goin to try my way and see what happens next is a new starter.

I'll chime in then with the same old question. Was the battery putting out 12.8 volts and was it load tested to determine if it was?
Was all the connections verified tight with no grounds?
Is the charging system working to 100%?

Again most starter problems stem from weak batteries.

:flag:

 

[2000bigdog]

well i got the bike running today. i ran into sum huge problems with the compression releases. When TP built this engine in 2000 they used S & S heads well i ordered electronic compression releases and found they will not fit. called TP and S&S and neither of them will drill the heads to fit these heads. AND yes i did check all my battery connections and charging system everything was fine. ALSO the bike fired right up and didnt hesitate at all. turned right over and fired up. The clutch was the problem. I am not going to put the compression releases in. TP says they dont need it and the bike starts just fine now.

 

[stlmikie]

What area are you in 2000bigdog? I have a shop by me that would maybe drill the heads for ya.