EHC replacement

Axel

Active Member
Hi,

...just the news: We changed the appintment today and when I arrived in the workshop I was not be able to stop a big smile in my face for some time :) I attach 2 (lousy) cellphone photos of the shop. Cool shop and a cool and very friendly owner !!!

However, we have tested the box in a 2007 carbureted model and (almost) everything works nice. The temperature of the board was somewhere below 45 degree what is far below of that what I expected. Even the starter was not be able to heat the board. We simulated a bad starting engine by closing the gas valve but was no significant temperature lift on the board even after more than 10 seconds pushing the start button :) . This was my biggest worry before but the implemented high side switches made a pretty good job.

So, now to the "almost": I had double checked the layout before I ordered the first sample boards. We found out today that I changed the rear right and left turn lamps. So, a push on the right button switches on the right front turn lamp and the left rear turn lamp. This might follow in some cases to "funny" situations but was unwanted :-/ I could kick my own as... This was my "double check".

So, I´ll correct my stupid mistake within the next days and will order new boards next week. So, the first devices might be available in about 4 weeks, when I solved the last mechanical challenges.

Scott, I got a schematic of a 2008 EFI model from the shop owner and compared the wiring with the carbureted model. The wiring in the EHC is almost the same. There are a few additional bridges between the 2 connectors for the speedometer and an additional + 12 V Line. So, I think, it would be possible to make the same EHC replacement for both models. I´ll put the bridges in the next model and will test it soon.

Any ideas, how I call my "baby" ? Just "EHC replacement" is a bit boaring.

All the best!
Axel
 

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Axel

Active Member
Hi,

Hm, I just try to make the board layout compatible between carbureted and EFI design and have seen in the schematic that the EFI controller get constant 12 Volt from the EHC (A1) . Are there any problems if I connect the EFI controller to the 12 Volt ignition? This mean that the EFI get only the 12 Volt if the ignition is on. I´m not sure yet...

All the best!
Axel
 

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Jwooky

Well-Known Member
Hi,

Hm, I just try to make the board layout compatible between carbureted and EFI design and have seen in the schematic that the EFI controller get constant 12 Volt from the EHC (A1) . Are there any problems if I connect the EFI controller to the 12 Volt ignition? This mean that the EFI get only the 12 Volt if the ignition is on. I´m not sure yet...

All the best!
Axel
The EFI needs constant 12v or it will lose the adaptive learned maps, position of the IAC etc.
 

Axel

Active Member
Hi Jwooky,

Thanks a lot for the info. I think in this case I´ll add a "traditional" fuse for the EFI circuit what can be removed for the carbureted version. The rest is almost compatible.

All the best!
Axel
 

Jwooky

Well-Known Member
5amp fuse circuit direct to bat is fine.

EFI also needs the speed sensor input, and output to the MIL light and low fuel light.

If they are wired direct from the VFI they will "glow dim" without any resistance in the circuit.
 

Axel

Active Member
Hi Jwooky,

Thanks for the useful info. So, I´ll put a fuse in the 12 V line for the EFI. However, It should be ok for the first version but I think the highside switches with integrated current limiter would be the better solution for the next generation. I just ordered some boards for the first small serie and I´ll need to change two of the highside switches against models wil a lower current cause the implemented switches in the first test boards have 90 Ampere current limit and 40 Amp normal what is "a bit oversized" in case of any short circuits. I was a bit too afraid about the current from A1 to the starter, cause I haven´t found any infos about the current...

All the best!
Axel
 

Axel

Active Member
Hi Rottweiler,


Thanks for the infos. It´s not a big challenge and already in work. I already got a 2004 EHC and started with the layout. Pls. give me a few weeks, cause I need to do it beside of my other work if my family allow it. I´ll keep you inform.

However, the first overworked boards of the 2 pin (cabureted) EHC are ready, but I still wait for the mixed signal connectors with the 4 bigger pins.

All the best!
Axel
 

Rottweiler

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Hi Rottweiler,


Thanks for the infos. It´s not a big challenge and already in work. I already got a 2004 EHC and started with the layout. Pls. give me a few weeks, cause I need to do it beside of my other work if my family allow it. I´ll keep you inform.

However, the first overworked boards of the 2 pin (cabureted) EHC are ready, but I still wait for the mixed signal connectors with the 4 bigger pins.

All the best!
Axel
Thanks for getting back so soon Axel,
Take your time and do it right. :D Life is busy Just did not want to be left out. I know 2004 are one of a kind connectors. I have a addaptor for a 2007 EHC but not sure if it would work?
 
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Axel

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Hi Rottweiler

Thanks for the info. I haven´t know that there is an adapter available for the 2004 models. It might be not the very best solution with an additional connector. However, I still have one of the first samples of my EHC replacement. I could send it to you for testing if you don´t mind to change the cables of the rear indicators ( I have changed the 2 contacts by accident :-/ ). I can not sell it anyway, cause it´s just a sample. You just will need to change the both cables on the rear side flashers and you´ll need to put a 25 Ampere fuse in the big red cable from the battery to the box, cause I still have 2 x 40 ampere highside switches in the sample box what might could burn a cable in case of a short circuit somewhere. An other difference is the brake light what glim at 40 % if no brake switch is on. This is a bit different due to the regulations here in Europe, but it will work for your bike as well, I guess.

All the best!
Axel
 

Rottweiler

Well-Known Member
Hi Rottweiler

Thanks for the info. I haven´t know that there is an adapter available for the 2004 models. It might be not the very best solution with an additional connector. However, I still have one of the first samples of my EHC replacement. I could send it to you for testing if you don´t mind to change the cables of the rear indicators ( I have changed the 2 contacts by accident :-/ ). I can not sell it anyway, cause it´s just a sample. You just will need to change the both cables on the rear side flashers and you´ll need to put a 25 Ampere fuse in the big red cable from the battery to the box, cause I still have 2 x 40 ampere highside switches in the sample box what might could burn a cable in case of a short circuit somewhere. An other difference is the brake light what glim at 40 % if no brake switch is on. This is a bit different due to the regulations here in Europe, but it will work for your bike as well, I guess.

All the best!
Axel
Axel just got a PM from Slick117 about the EHC replacement sample yes he needs it more then I do. Keep us posted and let me know when you have one for a 2004 50 pin. I also sent you a PM.

Thanks Rottweiler
 

bikepoor

New Member
Any news on a available date? I have been following and like what I am reading! I have an 07 K9 non-air ride, carb bike... Just curious! Thanks!
 

Axel

Active Member
Hi Bikepoor,

sorry for the late reply, I was a few days out of office and will leave tomorrow again until Friday. However, I still wait for the mixed signal connectors from my distributor. 4 boards are ready except of the connectors...

All the best!
Axel
 

hammered

Member
I have a 09 Big Dog K9, The shop is saying that i need to replace my wireing harness (ECH).I m understanding this is common with Big Dog motorcycles.My problem is I dont know where to buy the replacement parts.they are saying they can get me the complete wiring harness for 800 dollars.Will someone please tell me where I can get the correct DOCs, ESC or RIP kit that I need for my bike on line. thank you !
I dont know if you got this issue resolved, I had the same thing happen to my bike. I had Wolford V-Twin in Providence fix it for me. Good people.
 
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